I really enjoyed the 7ish mile hike with Jeff and Patty. They are really great to chat with and share a lot of world views that I have. They are active and energetic, but relaxed. I get the feeling that the work at Apple grates on them especially badly since they are of the relaxed temperament. Patty had just left Apple, and she was really enjoying the mini retirement. She is using mainly to get back in touch with friends and previous co-workers. Jeff is working hard, harder than he’d like, and is doing well at Apple.